Anyone else notice these last couple years the anime has broken trends? (Spoilers) (2024)

It's well due for Ash to receive some form of progress. All we need now is for him to develop a crush on Koharu a girl and we're pretty set.

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I doubt they do that (granted, they have broke a lot of trends in recent years....). But Ash having a crush on a girl could be really funny if done right.

game3524 said:

I doubt they do that (granted, they have broke a lot of trends in recent years....). But Ash having a crush on a girl could be really funny if done right.

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Not counting the bonkers Kanto era, this would piss off people who shipped Ash and Serena. The kid did really bad romantically speaking when he was with Serena.

We all remember that atrocious "date" episode, right.

AuraChannelerChris said:

Not counting the bonkers Kanto era, this would piss off people who shipped Ash and Serena. The kid did really bad romantically speaking when he was with Serena.

We all remember that atrocious "date" episode, right.

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Meh, this is a meta series anyway, so who cares?

Anyway, I am not talking about some "serious" shipping plot. That will never really work with Ash given the nature of the series. But a one off thing like he had with Giselle, yeah I would open to that because it is humorous and it puts Ash in a different light.

I don’t welcome anymore romance into the anime. The writers can keep their musty romance plots. I do wish they’d break a newish pattern which involves the current Poke girl(s) being rather passive towards Ash and allow them to argue. Even Misty and Ash only got into it for a split second in SM.

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If you count Koharu as a "Pokegirl" then they already broke that pattern. Granted, she doesn't argue with Ash, but she isn't passive or in awe of him.

Yeah, like the Pokegirl from the previous series who doesn't make a cameo in the current series since XY, Misty & Brock cameos in SM when they already had cameos before, Ash winning the Pokemon League in Alola and no Pokegirls in PM2019 since Koharu isn't one full-time.

It's a shame really, because I really favor spotlights equality with Ash's companions, along doing with a variety of things instead of sticking to their tropes, regardless how I feel about them and I think it would have benefited every fans of the show.

I don't care about any Ash shippings. I rather see girls having fun with themselves, much better if they saved the days by themselves.

Sham said:

I don’t welcome anymore romance into the anime. The writers can keep their musty romance plots. I do wish they’d break a newish pattern which involves the current Poke girl(s) being rather passive towards Ash and allow them to argue. Even Misty and Ash only got into it for a split second in SM.

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I do miss the days when Satoshi would bicker with his female friends on occasion. I didn't mind his interactions with Lilie and Serena too much, but it does get rather boring watching the whole cast get along all the time. Sometimes a little turbulence can be a good thing.

Now Ash just needs to catch a legendary, a second Electric type, get a girlfriend, and get written off.
And Team Rocket, the organization, needs to disband. They hardly utilize the actual Team Rocket organization and if the TRio left that'd make room for new recurring villains who belong to the regional villainous team, think like the Skull trio but actually used and not shoved in a corner neglected for no good reason

And a new character would stop them possibly going out of the way to justify Ash's story continuing, like Dragon Ball just brings in a bigger threat or a new super duper form every season just to keep people (somehow?) interested

Twilight-Kun said:

Go already shatters the concept of the anime when he catches everything in sight and then doesn't bond with his pokémon unless they're marketable

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This ^^^^

game3524 said:

I doubt they do that (granted, they have broke a lot of trends in recent years....). But Ash having a crush on a girl could be really funny if done right.

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It could, yeah. It'd be cool if they finally had Ash have the hots for another girl, even if it was a one and done like Giselle was.

Though I'd honestly settle for another character liking him, one like Angie, Anabel, or what-her-name from Johto's League, it's been quite some time and those were interesting takes as they had more character than simply "Oh Ash..... *blush*"
Like a female rival(NOT Marnie), liking him but being a complete ass to hide the fact she loves him.

AuraChannelerChris said:

Not counting the bonkers Kanto era, this would piss off people who shipped Ash and Serena. The kid did really bad romantically speaking when he was with Serena.

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Aren't most of them always pissed off? lol
I ship Amour but I think Ash liking a girl would be fun

Zoruagible said:

Now Ash just needs to catch a legendary,

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So I take it you don't count mythicals as legendaries?

TheCharredDragon said:

I'm pretty sure even the Pokémon Company/Game Freak/whoever handles official stuff consider Mythical Pokémon and Legendary Pokémon as two different categories, so even if one considers a Mythical as a Legendary, officially it isn't (like Ultra Beasts not being considered Legendaries even if someone says otherwise).

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Well then hypothetically if Mythicals don't count as Legendaries, I could see Satoshi getting his first Legendary Pokemon in the current series. I just don't think it'll be something like Houou, which someone previously suggested in the capture speculation thread. To me that would seem random considering that Houou is symbolic, and I can't imagine it under someone's control.

GMax Helios said:

So I take it you don't count mythicals as legendaries?

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>Mythical

It's not a Legendary

Zoruagible said:

Like a female rival(NOT Marnie), liking him but being a complete ass to hide the fact she loves him.

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Agreed, but this sounds so familiar...(minus the rival part)

Looking at that list makes me more impressed over how unwilling the anime used to be to do anything cool than how "daring" they are now, most of those things would just be a given in any other show.

SM just did most of the things that happen in the games, you're the first champion, you fight Kukui, you fight Koko, get all the most special Mons etc, even the possibility of Satoshi and Go fighting Eternatus with the wolves doesn't seem crazy when you consider that the anime might just be more willing to follow the games these days. I bet they somehow catch Mewtwo too.

Looking at that list makes me more impressed over how unwilling the anime used to be to do anything cool than how "daring" they are now, most of those things would just be a given in any other show.

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Yeah, it really does show how formulaic the show has been for years.

It is good that they are taking more risks (catching Dragonite was a pleasant surprise IMO.). But they should have been doing this years ago.

game3524 said:

Yeah, it really does show how formulaic the show has been in years.

It is good that they are taking more risks (catching Dragonite was a pleasant surprise IMO.). But they should have been doing this years ago.

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I agree that they should've had Satoshi catch more fully-evolved Pokemon in past sagas once it was established that he was getting more experienced, although I don't know if I'd claim that him getting Kairyu counts as a risk per se since there's no downside involved.

GMax Helios said:

There's another one I just remembered. There was no Alola movie with the Alola gang. The 1st movie (if you want to count it considering it literally has Alola Pokemon like Incineroar and Marshadow) was pretty much a Kanto reboot with a replacement for Brock and Misty and the 2nd (and best of them all imo) one doesn't even have anyone traveling with Ash.

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The recent movies have definitely been a big change from the norm, although I don't consider that to be a positive change since I didn't have much of a problem with the old movie formula to begin with. I really dislike the AU concept that's being used in a lot of the newer movies, although I seem to be in the minority.

The SM artstyle would've translated horribly to a movie style

A BW/XY-style Ultra Recon Squad movie that properly showcased Necrozma would've been amazing

Leonhart said:

The recent movies have definitely been a big change from the norm, although I don't consider that to be a positive change since I didn't have much of a problem with the old movie formula to begin with. I really dislike the AU concept that's being used in a lot of the newer movies, although I seem to be in the minority.

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BTW, I know the show didn't do this, but the fact that there is now a movie not made by Japan means another trend got broken.

And that gave us the best Pokemon movie.